October 4, 2005 No contest. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. September 12, 2002 Feat Fan [8] He began his professional career playing the 1959, 1960, and 1961 seasons with the Knoxville Smokies of the South Atlantic League and the Durham Bulls of the Carolina League. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. We are going all the way!" Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. [8] He began his professional career playing the 1959, 1960, and 1961 seasons with the Knoxville Smokies of the South Atlantic League and the Durham Bulls of the Carolina League. I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Shickhaus Franks bob saunders Laura15yearoldmodel Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. July 31, 2002 November 10, 2002 He started 45 games and completed 29. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. May 24, 2002 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mr. Sparkle Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. Rusty played another decade. support. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. He had terrific stuff. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. NYB Buff October 19, 2011 And, the old ballplayers coming into the clubhouse, introducing the people with them and mooching autographed baseballs. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. July 15, 2016 Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. eddiek November 10, 2002 The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Dianna Jeanneh Jones 6'1", 170???? All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. He goes up one notch for being a character! I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. April 30, 2009 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Baseball burnt him out. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. September 25, 2013 But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. April 24, 2003 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Raymond Malcuit We are going all the way!" December 13, 2007 Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Feat Fan He served up a home run, and my mother screamed "Lolich, you fat jerk, you stink!!!" In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. December 20, 2019 Mickey loved his Harley. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Ramblin' Pete feat fan Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. (thankfully returning in '81). 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. October 19, 2011 Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. April 6, 2012 April 27, 2013 That's more realistic but generous, I think! His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. GoMets2006 He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? '', Moments later, the Sunday churchgoers more or less cleared out, Lolich relaxed at the counter lined with 21 stools. June 2, 2006 Feat Fan October 19, 2011 November 3, 2006 He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. NYB Buff After one year in New York Lolich retired. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. April 27, 2013 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Raymond Malcuit Jr. That would make him a star in today's market. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. ''I finally found out what really happens in the stands,'' he said. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. December 13, 2007 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Bartolo Colon etc). Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Really? Shickhaus Franks As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Lolich was a fine pitcher. April 30, 2009 Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. June 2, 2006 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Rusty played another decade. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned: Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. senor ortiz Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! Cut him some slack. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. August 7, 2002 December 20, 2019 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. As you may remember, Quarry wasn't quite in their class as a boxer. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. support. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Al February 25, 2003 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! He lost his first shop in a lease dispute with the landlord and reopened last fall in Lake Orion. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Park Island Queen, Silver Spray, and the Pastime were a few of the passenger boat launches back in the '20s. eddiek He jokes with the waiter, he flirts with the waitress. October 13, 2008 December 13, 2007 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. I still have it somewhere. December 8, 2006 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. October 19, 2011 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. October 18, 2008 I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. March 5, 2006 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Earl Milliman's Ford was located on the southwest corner of North Broadway and Shadbolt. May 7, 2013 The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Man, those pitches were big ones. Bob My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. September 25, 2013 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Bob P And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Feat Fan Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. December 13, 2007 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Joe Figliola There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Shari But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. May 6, 2003 John Bruce support. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. He later resurfaced with the Padres. May 7, 2013 Cy Young, Rookie of the Year, Hall of Fame, and more. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. I know the one in Lake Orion was probably open till the early 90s. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. GoMets2006 His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Raymond Malcuit Jr. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. November 12, 2006 Jamey Bumbalo That's more realistic but generous, I think! "But you know, I enjoy making doughnuts. 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