Dickerson Rods For Sale 0.248 Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). like .03%/inch. Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. 0.196 Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. Whether you're picking out your very first fly-fishing rod or coming in for a new modern fly reel after years out on the water, Sportsman's Warehouse can supply you with the very best fly-fishing equipment. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. (Chris Obuchowski). Its a very useful exercise. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post (Jerry Foster). Why? Measured over varnish. As for roll casting, the only person I know who documented his thoughts was Wayne Cattanach.. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:15, Post In fact I've just made a new tip for it as the original developed a kink when being cooked to set off the UHU which no amount of ironing will remove. (Will Price), I have noticed several folks mention the Dickerson 8014. I have always wondered why we don't just build linear tapers. Could this be the difference between an 861711D and an 861711? . 90 0.296 157251. One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. Kind of sounds like a pro Pickard crowd here. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? 5 0.0825 Just like the makers of Ping golf clubs, who ban their retailers from selling on the internet, I do not see how it is possible to make a rod for someone without the presence of that person for a considerable time on a casting court. They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. (Will Price), Dickerson standardized his reel seats with a 3/8's inside diameter bore, hence the .375 under the grip and reel seat. For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). Obviously, custom tapers take a little longer to develop and build. 75 0.279 126179 The 8013 is an 8' 0", 2/2, 5wt., 4.35 oz. 3 months after I had the guy back on the phone asking me to make another one as its the best rod he has ever had. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. Pt 0 is the butt side of the strips. by trouttrapper 06/12/16 09:32, Post Straight tapers are just that, nobody needs to develop them, as if they did they wouldn't be straight anymore. This is merely about applying engineering principles to designing a rod for a particular application. (Paul Blakley), I have a taper for the Dickerson 7613 and am a little confused. I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. 0.369 As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about the differences between the two tapers. Some good stuff here. (Robin Haywood), Why don't you design some roll casting ability into every rod? This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. The '51 is a bit softer. This butt can be a foot shorter than the tip and of straight taper. While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. But you also have the opportunity to add or remove material any ware alone the length of that rod and doing so will have an taper specific effect on the casting/fishing characteristics of the rod. I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. (Jerry Foster), Where do you get that? I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. If you want to adjust for a different varnish assumption, or if you want to interpolate differently, then our actual measurements are there for you (or anyone, of course) to do so. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. (Paul Blakley), I think a 7'6'' rod is short for any line weight. Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. 761510: 7'6" 3/2 5 wt. I assume that he extrapolated those measurements. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. Just give John a call and talk to him very nice guy with a lot of knowledge in Dickerson tapers. (four piece) carbon fiber spey blank. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. Using too small a ferrule may be a factor. I highly recommend him. If you were to design rods using a visual representation of it's deflection then deviation from a straight line doesn't matter. .266@20 The file will convert hex tapers to Quad, Penta, Hex, Hepta and Oct tapers. If you look at the individual changes every five inches, no they are not always .014, but the mean and mode are .014". I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. 0.138 To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. Bill said that the book he has written on the subject is going to the printers and should be out soon.. (No financial interest.) (Jerry Foster). 50 0.213 That is all I did! 1 wt 0.0540 20 0.131 154180 For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. To my way of looking at this taper, its definitely an 8 wt. Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. Dickerson 8615 - 8.5ft 2pc 7wt Posted by Gary Lohkamp,15 Jan 1997. (Mark Wendt), Thanks Dennis! At The Airport. All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. Tuesday - Sunday, 10am to 4pm, Winter But more relevant and to the point, I bought a single tip Dickerson 7613 from John and he recently provided me with a second tip from pre-embargo cane and original Dickerson hardware, and the action is a dead ringer for the original Dickerson 7613. This means that the finished rod will cast like a ONE PIECE SLT rod. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. It is truely a wet fly action - great for those soft hacles. Some people call them "step-down" but it is worth noting that the top and the bottom openings of his ferrules are usually the same diameter; the "step" across the ferrule occurred in the bamboo, not the metal. Right, I've printed that off and made a brief study. Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. I only use short rods on overgrown streams. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. My original point, with which you took issue, was: I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. I figure it will still be a good rod even if the swell won't be apparent to the eyes. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. Dickersons original taper was as Mark stated and a true 5 wt. Not too many folks consider these mediocre. All were very powerful eight weight rods with most of the action in the upper half. Step Down debate again. Can you direct me to where I can find more information on this? Gillum Rods. My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. I use it as my Hex rod & for throwing big streamers. But if you really like Dickerson tapers (i sure do) then getting a good maker to whip up his version of that taper while using his personal cosmetics would be my first choice. Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. The rod is currently 7'-2" after a test fit so I want to trim to the correct 7-0 length. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. Dennis looked over his rod and it, too, has two nodes right next to each other. (Tom Peters), 0.066 I think it is a fantastic taper. Why do you think a7'6" rod is short for a #5 ? There seems to be a misunderstanding about the results this yields. 0.205 I have been working with Bob Norwood's taper program, using it to derive a basic set of reference tapers. Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. Measurements under the handle are obviously estimates. Besides that, he's extremely knowledgeable about Dickerson, is the present owner of the Dickerson rod shop, and has an extreme reverence for Lyle's creations and tapers. I think you are being a tad myopic, if you can't see that .016, .014, and .015 AVERAGE OUT to equal .014". I have been gobs smacked many times when the customer turns around and says I like this one. For example a 13 was really a 13.5? 10 0.101 154505 Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. (Mark Shamburg). . I am still trying to fully define the effect, positive and negative each of these regions have on rod action. In fact, if you want to design a cane "Parabolic" which will perform as Ritz wanted all you have to do is choose a tip taper you fancy and plonk it out on the end of a fast taper hollow built butt of whatever length you fancy. I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). My question is, as I plan for my next rod, are these the same rod or is there a difference? Short cased and portable. It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. I don't find the 7'6" length to be too short. (Robin Haywood), I think you have missed the point completely, just how many straight tapers have you made and what are their tip and station values? Is the 8013 just a 6" longer 7613 or what are the differences? (Robin Haywood). I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. by Jim 05/08/09 01:45, Post (Robin Haywood). The taper is designed for trout fishing. Jim Schaaf. Garrison's tapers may have been all right in his day, for the equipment and applications he was designing for, i.e. 75 0.2855 (Will Price). All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. How would this feel? 20 .140 .298 All of these factors when considered together give a better picture of the rod than any one does in isolation. (Chris Obuchowski). Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. 2 piece. (Bob Norwood). by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post What physical characteristics make a taper roll cast well. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. 0.369 I will suggest that rodmakers as a whole are not (especially the "classics" who were trying to make a living by banging out rods), but also that minor variances of a few thousandths occurring at random do not have a large impact on the rod actions as a whole. November - May Dickerson 8014 8' 5wt. (Paul Blakley), I use the taper in Maurer's book, which is the same as Wane C's, which supposedly came from Young's mill. bamboo fly rod blank (two-piece single tip) - Proof Fly Fishing 6'6" 2wt. Very smooth and plenty of power for a 5 wt should you need it. The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. Post Apparently, the 'old masters' were just building fishing rods and not too worried about picking the fly poop out of the pepper. (Matthew French), Different rods, the 8014 is a true 6wt, the 8014G (G stands for guide) is a heavier rod, a point and shoot, no false cast, lay out a ton of line type rod. But I imagine that high output builders didn't have every rod turn out the same for whatever reason. (Jerry Foster), For some applications, like fishing dries from a drifting boat, it could be even a bit short. (Ted Godfrey), I can say the one I don't like is the one in Ray Goulds fine book, 'Cane Rods, Tips and Tapers', page 85. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. (Reed Guice). There is a view that all the great tapers have already been invented. On a theoretical straight line or linear taper the rod would load progressively down to the handle. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. (Robin Haywood), This would be very easy, but would impact on other desirable qualities. Your projected experiment may be described as simplistic and wasteful of time by some, but I think that you will learn a very great deal about what you personally like about taper rates. 0 .326 .180 Made 2 of the heavier one. The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. (David Atchison), Didn't Dickerson make his own ferrules and weren't they slightly oversized? 1 2 3 0.232 0.168 However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. What does the taper of a rod that roll cast well look like? (Henry Mitchell), Yes but those 2 particular tapers are what many Dickerson aficionados refer to as the 7613 Guide and are much more comfortable with a 6 wt line than a 5 wt. 5 .326 .168 The only limit you have in this process, you can't change the tip diameter because you would be changing the line weight of the rod. by thramerrods 06/17/16 04:28, Post Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. This system could also be very helpful to understand why a classic taper feels the way it feels. (Robin Haywood). (Gary Nicholson). 15 0.115 163502 I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. Please allow up to 120 days for completion of your new rod. Nice taper but you may feel the large flex area on long casts with a 8 WF line. Powered by Shopify. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. by dkrismer 06/12/16 20:36, Post (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. (Will Price). If you want to make one as a sort of standard then try a rate of taper of 13.5 thousandths per station, it gives a Gould rating of 270 which is a useful point about which to have a conversation with yourself about what you think is medium fast and what you think is fast. 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. Even if EC did "compound" his B-9 taper just in front of the ferrule for a specific reason, it wouldn't negate the fact that this is AT HEART A STRAIGHT TAPER. At location 45, the taper shows the numbers 208/213. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. Know what to expect when you visit LAN, so you can feel prepared for your upcoming trip! 0.111 Station Diameter I've also made an 8-1/2' with tip dimension of .072, which made a really nice 6/7 weight. That's so the swell is still in the action length. I think of it as an 8013G. 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